tell you what, call TH admid they will tell u the number.There were no tables left.The hamilton show and the toronto show were different promoters. I guess thats why Big Time got payed. confundidas company did not get payed that was a different promoter.
quote: Originally posted by: BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT "Pine Valley Banquet Hall maximum capacity for this particular room with tables and chairs is 656 people. There were so many people the tables had to be placed even on the side of the stage. The event was video taped and therefore the evidence of the quantity of people is available. A representative from Toronto Hispano was there that night. This event was sold out and standing room tickets only had to be sold. There were people even in the hall way standing up watching the event. You say you dont have that much experience with entertainment and I believe that, but for your education purposes what you saw that night not including the people that work there or the performers was over 600 people. Thank you to all those who came out and supported this magnificant event with the incredible voices of Los Panchos!"
Yes,.. that is right,.. i don't have that much experience in that industry,.. but i did attend to the event ,.. and there weren't 600 ppl ,.. anyways ,.. Los Panchos are the best,.. and my family and I support them,.. what the anonymous said is truth ,.. the ppl outside were selling food,.. are they part of the 600 persons that u r talking about????
I thank you for your help in this. Much appreciated! I guess this is the only option if nobody from their end will come forward and offer a simpler solution. This type of thing happens alot with talent and I think this can open up our eyes more. I ask the favour of any of our local media to cover an issue like this, especially the newspapers. Once the subject is brought out in the open, it will happen less. Right now the abuse of our artists is a suttle thing and probably not of interest to those who aren't involved in the music scene. But with help and coverage from our local media, I think people will take heart to this.
I call out to ANY local media to help out YOUR artists with this subject. All we ask is to get this unfortunate but repetitive issue out in the open and published for all to see.
Thanks again for your help!
Ricky Franco
-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 17:42, 2005-04-22
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Hello, sorry to hear about your father being treated that way. Good business practices require an up front fee (50%) to ensure coverage of prior expenses or other commitments. Not all is lost, if your father has a signed aggreement (verbal included), you can sue through small claims court (in your area) for a small fee of $40.00 (doing the application yourself). You will be preventing future occurances to other EXCELLENT local entertainers like your father who doesn't deserve this type of disrespect.
quote: Originally posted by: BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT " If you would like to talk bad about any event please start your own post talking about your particular experience. My experience was nothing but enchantment from these artists whom I had lunch with today, and they were so classy as to stand up in the middle of La pupusa Loca, and infront of everyone sing Happy Birthday to me. This is what I call a true class act! Big Time Entertainment was highered for the Toronto event and it was a great success! "
Maybe if you weren't "too busy" getting Happy Birthday sung to you at your enchanting luch, you would've had time to get your local artist paid! I'm sure Los Panchos are a class act. But why are they called Los Panchos if the REAL Panchos are all dead? So maybe someone should call themselves The Beatles too!
What ever. Miel tell your family they are right I was there. I got to choose an pick the table I wanted. The so call peolple outside where selling food. I am not saying the concert was not good. But please don't exaggerate on the truth. People didn't go because of the last event of Lisandro Mesa where they over sold tickets and people with tickets didn't get in. They couldn't even get there money back. Police had to come and stop the concert So i don't get it they could paid Local artist
You know it really sad that a local talent gets treated like gabbage, and the people who helped promote this event like Confudida.. this is why people don't like to work with local promoters.
Let hope this doesn't happen again to our local talent
So its "Robert Towing Services" responsible for the show in Toronto or Hamilton? if not who is the one responsible in hamilton?
I am sending e-mails to a local newspaper which have show some interest in reporting this incident.
the shame is that it was a succes in Toronto and the locals didn't got pay, if it was a failure nobody will complain - but somebody is taking advantage (and keeping the money) of the local talent here, i want to find out WHO
quote: Originally posted by: BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT "It's really to bad that Grupo Azteca does not have a manager that gets the job done. Big Time Entertainment offers management services to local and international artists. And we will get paid. Our company policy is that if there is no payment in full before the show we do not turn the power on. If you would like to know more about this service please contact Big Time Entertainment at (416) 825-5008. P.S. I sense a big sense of concern. Why dont you in your spare time call the event coordinators, they are Robert Towing and Auto Service. If you would like to help grupo azteca look up the number and help out. It is none of my buisness but this is the least I can do for you, in order for you to help yourself."
Oh I see.....so you're going to have Grupo Azteca chase these people around yet again. Didn't work once and you think it's gonna work again?? Don't you think the proper thing to do is have these people contact Ricky's father THEMSELVES? It's only common sense...
quote: Originally posted by: Anonymous "So if 600 people showed up ...and the show was a success....and you obviously made some $$$$$$...then why the hell didn't GRUPO AZTECA get paid in full? You have disrepected a pioneer latin group of performers so what does that say about you, the promoters and the event? Don't come back and say "oh, big time ent. only handled the toronto show" because if GRUPO AZTECA hadn't gotten ripped off at the Hamilton show, they would have performed at the Toronto show, right??? So this mariachi group deserves compensation $$$$$$.....you might not have had anything to do withthis directly, pero you are disrespecting local talent by association. Smarten Up Fool!!! And do something about this. Contact Ricky's dad and apologize like there's no tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!"
It's really to bad that Grupo Azteca does not have a manager that gets the job done. Big Time Entertainment offers management services to local and international artists. And we will get paid. Our company policy is that if there is no payment in full before the show we do not turn the power on. If you would like to know more about this service please contact Big Time Entertainment at (416) 825-5008. P.S. I sense a big sense of concern. Why dont you in your spare time call the event coordinators, they are Robert Towing and Auto Service. If you would like to help grupo azteca look up the number and help out. It is none of my buisness but this is the least I can do for you, in order for you to help yourself.
So if 600 people showed up ...and the show was a success....and you obviously made some $$$$$$...then why the hell didn't GRUPO AZTECA get paid in full? You have disrepected a pioneer latin group of performers so what does that say about you, the promoters and the event? Don't come back and say "oh, big time ent. only handled the toronto show" because if GRUPO AZTECA hadn't gotten ripped off at the Hamilton show, they would have performed at the Toronto show, right??? So this mariachi group deserves compensation $$$$$$.....you might not have had anything to do withthis directly, pero you are disrespecting local talent by association. Smarten Up Fool!!! And do something about this.
Contact Ricky's dad and apologize like there's no tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!
quote: Originally posted by: Miel "Que MENTIROSO,.. Toda mi familia estuvo en el concierto y no hubieron mas de 100 personas,.. yes , .. it was a sucess because ppl enyoyed LOS PANCHOS,..they are a legend ,.. but u cann't say that over 600 persons attended. Se puede medir el exito de un concierto por el numero de personas que asisten???? I don't know 'cause I m not in the entertainment industry,.. pero si es asi ,.. entonces no fue un exito lo que Big Time Entainment tuvo esa noche."
Pine Valley Banquet Hall maximum capacity for this particular room with tables and chairs is 656 people. There were so many people the tables had to be placed even on the side of the stage. The event was video taped and therefore the evidence of the quantity of people is available. A representative from Toronto Hispano was there that night. This event was sold out and standing room tickets only had to be sold. There were people even in the hall way standing up watching the event. You say you dont have that much experience with entertainment and I believe that, but for your education purposes what you saw that night not including the people that work there or the performers was over 600 people. Thank you to all those who came out and supported this magnificant event with the incredible voices of Los Panchos!
quote: Originally posted by: BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT "Last night over 600 people experienced the unforgettable legendary voices of Los tres Panchos! This trio mesmorized the crowd with their enchanting voices and sweet talking guitars! It is a night that will go down in Toronto history and will be remembered by all those that attended!"
Que MENTIROSO,.. Toda mi familia estuvo en el concierto y no hubieron mas de 100 personas,.. yes , .. it was a sucess because ppl enyoyed LOS PANCHOS,..they are a legend ,.. but u cann't say that over 600 persons attended. Se puede medir el exito de un concierto por el numero de personas que asisten???? I don't know 'cause I m not in the entertainment industry,.. pero si es asi ,.. entonces no fue un exito lo que Big Time Entainment tuvo esa noche.
quote: Originally posted by: 1800SLUT "i truly understand why Ricky is upset AND concerned.... These organizers should take things more serious.600 People? that's not what Ricky said....under 20 ppl attended to the Hamilton Show...maybe the Toronto's Show, but...... next time, make sure you have the cash in your pockets before booking a show....a big supporter of S .L .U .T Campaign@Ricky, Sorry to hear how things turned out.... i'm sure you are furious, take it easy bro'. ALL THE BEST..... "
thx man!! is true, if you don't have the cash then don't book the show at all.... this goes to whoooooooover promoter was involved in the event....
Originally posted by: BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT "Last night over 600 people experienced the unforgettable legendary voices of Los tres Panchos! This trio mesmorized the crowd with their enchanting voices and sweet talking guitars! It is a night that will go down in Toronto history and will be remembered by all those that attended!"
La noche va a ser recordada por la falta de respeto que le dieron a los artistas locales, y segun lo que escribe confundida la falta de respeto a las personas que deciden ayudarlos en su evento.
Bien por Ricky Franco de tener el valor de escribir lo que en verdad paso, lamentablemente nuestros medios de comunicacion estan en etapas muy infantes y no publican estas noticias de abusos que son de gran interez para todos, ojala en un futuro los medios le dejen de besar el c-lo a los promotores por entradas GRATIS y empiezen a reportar noticias que ayuden a la comunidad a crecer.
I HAD THE CHANCE TO WORK WITH THAT PROMOTION COMPANY AT LEAST U GOT NO PAID I GOT A NSF CHEQUE!!!! AND WE DID HIS SHOWS IN HAMILTON LONDON AND ST CATHERINES IMAGINE THAT.......
I HAD TO PAY THE GUYS OUT OF MY POCKET CUZ TWO OF THEM TOOK TIME OFF WORK TO HELP!!!!
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quote: Originally posted by: Anonymous "read the above post before you comment... 600 people were at the toronto show not the Hamilton show.. Big time has nothing to do with the hamilton show if you read the above post.. yeah what happened to ricky is sad but i dont think that had anything to do with the toronto event.. "
hey dude.... the 1800SLUT did say"MAYBE THE TORONTO'S SHOW BUT.....next time, make sure you have the cash in your pockets before booking a show...." RIGggghhTTTTT!! AND YES I AGREEE WITH "canadian eh" THAT WE SHOULD NOT SUPPORT PROMOTERS THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OUT LOCAL TALENTS!!
la verdad que el exito que tuvieron en Toronto queda opacado con la falta de respeto a los artistas locales, yo creo que como publico no deberiamos apoyar a estos promotores que tratan mal a nuestros artistas.
especialmente todos los que apoyamos la SLUT campain
quote: Originally posted by: 1800SLUT "i truly understand why Ricky is upset AND concerned.... These organizers should take things more serious.600 People? that's not what Ricky said....under 20 ppl attended to the Hamilton Show...maybe the Toronto's Show, but...... next time, make sure you have the cash in your pockets before booking a show....a big supporter of S .L .U .T Campaign@Ricky, Sorry to hear how things turned out.... i'm sure you are furious, take it easy bro'. ALL THE BEST..... "
read the above post before you comment... 600 people were at the toronto show not the Hamilton show.. Big time has nothing to do with the hamilton show if you read the above post.. yeah what happened to ricky is sad but i dont think that had anything to do with the toronto event..
i truly understand why Ricky is upset AND concerned.... These organizers should take things more serious. 600 People? that's not what Ricky said....under 20 ppl attended to the Hamilton Show... maybe the Toronto's Show, but...... next time, make sure you have the cash in your pockets before booking a show....
a big supporter of S .L .U .T Campaign
@Ricky, Sorry to hear how things turned out.... i'm sure you are furious, take it easy bro'. ALL THE BEST.....
quote: Originally posted by: latinsoulchild " BUT.... Certain people forget to mention a well deserved apology to the musicians that were cut short in the show in Hamilton the day before!!! So quick to mention successes but tend to always avoid mentioning the failures. Hamilton had an attendance of under 15 people and it resulted in our local talent being d!cked around yet again. Any organizer would take that into consideration and accept that when promotion doesn't go well, they still have to cover your expenses! My father's mariachi was booked for both shows in Hamilton and Toronto and promised a set amount.... and we didn't even get half of it!! I'm really upset at the "disorganizers" for having my father drive around like an idiot chasing whoever for the little pocket change they had to spare for us. We were promised that the money would be dropped off at my house and NOBODY SHOWED UP OR CALLED! I found that insulting and the way my father was given the runaround was even MORE insulting. We were under paid and refused to be given the full amount aggreed by both parties. We didn't perform the Toronto show because we REFUSED to. Grupo Azteca is the PIONEER mariachi group in CANADA. My dad has had this mariachi running for over 30 years in Toronto yet we were taken like a bunch of side show freaks. The people responsible for this should submit an apology accepting mistakes and learning from it like any professional promo company would do. He spent more gas looking for the person that was supposed to pay him rather than the gas he used for the drive to Hamilton. My pops may be passive about this, but it was a slap to his face. I as his son, take that as a slap to my own face. Another chapter in the life of the struggles of our local talent..... Sound like a typical story? Ricky Franco-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 16:44, 2005-04-16 -- Edited by latinsoulchild at 16:45, 2005-04-16"
Thank you to the promoters for holding this very successful show. I have been in this business for quite a few years, or at least enough to know that unless I get a deposit and paid in full before the show starts I do not turn the power on. If you would like to talk bad about any event please start your own post talking about your particular experience. My experience was nothing but enchantment from these artists whom I had lunch with today, and they were so classy as to stand up in the middle of La pupusa Loca, and infront of everyone sing Happy Birthday to me. This is what I call a true class act! Big Time Entertainment was highered for the Toronto event and it was a great success!
That is so sad!!!.....I am really glad you have the balls to stand up for your pops....you are a good son!!!!! Unfortunately, when things don't go as planned it is always the musicians that bear the brunt of the loss but when shows are a huge success they are NEVER paid extra. There are many in the same boat as you...it's not easy being the local talent. Keep up the good work and keep on doing what you love.
quote: Originally posted by: BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT "Last night over 600 people experienced the unforgettable legendary voices of Los tres Panchos! This trio mesmorized the crowd with their enchanting voices and sweet talking guitars! It is a night that will go down in Toronto history and will be remembered by all those that attended!"
BUT....
Certain people forget to mention a well deserved apology to the musicians that were cut short in the show in Hamilton the day before!!! So quick to mention successes but tend to always avoid mentioning the failures. Hamilton had an attendance of under 15 people and it resulted in our local talent being d!cked around yet again. Any organizer would take that into consideration and accept that when promotion doesn't go well, they still have to cover your expenses! My father's mariachi was booked for both shows in Hamilton and Toronto and promised a set amount.... and we didn't even get half of it!! I'm really upset at the "disorganizers" for having my father drive around like an idiot chasing whoever for the little pocket change they had to spare for us. We were promised that the money would be dropped off at my house and NOBODY SHOWED UP OR CALLED! I found that insulting and the way my father was given the runaround was even MORE insulting. We were under paid and refused to be given the full amount aggreed by both parties. We didn't perform the Toronto show because we REFUSED to. Grupo Azteca is the PIONEER mariachi group in CANADA. My dad has had this mariachi running for over 30 years in Toronto yet we were taken like a bunch of side show freaks. The people responsible for this should submit an apology accepting mistakes and learning from it like any professional promo company would do. He spent more gas looking for the person that was supposed to pay him rather than the gas he used for the drive to Hamilton.
My pops may be passive about this, but it was a slap to his face. I as his son, take that as a slap to my own face.
Another chapter in the life of the struggles of our local talent..... Sound like a typical story?
Ricky Franco
-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 16:44, 2005-04-16
-- Edited by latinsoulchild at 16:45, 2005-04-16
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Last night over 600 people experienced the unforgettable legendary voices of Los tres Panchos! This trio mesmorized the crowd with their enchanting voices and sweet talking guitars! It is a night that will go down in Toronto history and will be remembered by all those that attended!
,.. and my family and I support them,.. what the anonymous said is truth ,.. the ppl outside were selling food,.. are they part of the 600 persons that u r talking about????
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So i don't get it they could paid Local artist
