Sus ideales han impactado el mundo, si pueden mirense la pelicula MOTORCICLE DIARIES para que conozcan algunas de las aventuras de El Che cuando apenas estaba a punto de Terminar su carrera de medico.
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Gracias a Dios por la musa musical que me otorgo, gracias a ella me siento un hombre nuevo cada dia de mi vida.
El Che lucho para que se le dejen de robar a la gente trabajadora de latinoamerica en especial de los llamados "ricos" de los paises desarrollados como Canada verdad?
Ley este curioso comentario por Chileno:
Originally posted by: Chilenito " Wena lokita! We share the same views on that matter...I totally forgot about getting u a copy of the movie Machuca. I have a "PIRATA" version of the flick that I'll send to you and GOD some how...I'll PM y'all. Speaking about Allende, I have a Dominican friend in a hip-hop group in MTL who's parents named him SALVADOR ALLENDE...no j/k, ain't that cool?"
bueno algo simpatico es que vemos a dos fanatico del "Che" llamados SOCIALISTAS de corazon y que dicen que luchan por la gente del pueblo y bla bla bla y se ve que estan hablando de distibuir copias piratas de peliculas de latinos de su propio pais, es que no saben estos hipocritas que si estos directores no reciben dinero de su trabajo como diablos pueden producir pelicuals y documentales sobre temas que ellos dicen que apoyan.
lo gracioso es que si el Che escuchara estos comentarios de estos hipocritas que viven en Canada- pais desarrollado y que SI tienen el dinero para comprar la original estoy - seguro que les metia una bala por TRAIDORES a los fundamentos de su lucha.
Parece que el Che murio en vano cuando sus SEGUIDORES piensa en robarles a la clase trabajadora.
EL Papa fue un gran hombre, sin embargo a el nadie le escucho' cuando se opuso a las dos guerras contra Irak, quedaba relegado a las paginas de atras de los periodicos, no pudo hacer mucho para que miles de civiles murieran en Irak. Todos saben que los pretextos de esa invacion fueron basados en mentiras, todos lo han admitido. Ademas, millones han muerto en Africa por guerras y sida, y al oponerse al uso de preservativos muchos mas han de haber quedado infectados.
Para cuando Martin Luther King hizo su sueno ya muchos negros habian sido esclavizados y asesinados, fue un proceso de siglos para que a ellos les dieron ciertos derechos. HAsta en los anios 60's ellos tenias prohibido ir al lado de los blancos, no fue' cuestion que vino Luther a decir unas palabritas y se acabo' todo de repente.
Y en un continente como latinoamerica las palabras salen volando cuando presidentes han ganado elecciones y son despojados de la presidencia por los que no los han dejado ejercer.
Por ejemplo Allende y Jacobo Arbenz en Guatemala, y muchos mas en america latina. Los que andamos con camisas del Che por lo menos tenemos presente le necesidad de muchos que han quedado en los paises latinoamericanos y no solo nos concentramos en los centros turisticos y las grandes capitales, por lo menos nos identificamos con los necesitados.
quote: Originally posted by: Chipe "yo creo que cuando se trata de grandes lideres de la humanidad solo hay dos que vienen a mi memoria El papa Juan Pablo II y Martin Luther King, ellos dos hicieron grandes cambios lucharon por sus ideales y nunca, nunca le pusieron una pistola o mataron a sus enemigos o personas que no opinaban como ellos, a diferencia de muchos otros que pensaban que la mejor forma de ganar o cambiar una idea era matando- ellos decidieron convercer al enemigo que estaban equivocados y lograron grandes cambios. Ellos son heroes a seguir. Algo que nos deberia de dar verguencia es que como hispanos tenemos al Che y otros que tenia muy buenas ideas de ayudar a los necesitados y lo mas importante unirnos a todos en latinoamerica y hoy en dia los hispanos seguimos separados incluyo todo esos que se ponen la camiseta con su cara (ustedes hacen algo para hecer el sueno del Che de unir a latinoamerica??) Europa esta unidad a pesar que alla hablan diferentes idiomas y no tienen a un revolucionario tan popular como el Che y los latinos que estamos separados a pesar que hablamos el mismo idioma y tenemos a heroes como el Che y otros que luchron por unirnos."
Im not gonna talk about the pope only because I dont know exactly what all he did for humanity, so If someone knows please share.
On the topic of MLK however, Im more of a Malcolm fan:
"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery."
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what? you found Manuel Noreaga? In the Phillipines? He has a mansion? Ok, we on it, on it, right now!
yo creo que cuando se trata de grandes lideres de la humanidad solo hay dos que vienen a mi memoria El papa Juan Pablo II y Martin Luther King, ellos dos hicieron grandes cambios lucharon por sus ideales y nunca, nunca le pusieron una pistola o mataron a sus enemigos o personas que no opinaban como ellos, a diferencia de muchos otros que pensaban que la mejor forma de ganar o cambiar una idea era matando- ellos decidieron convercer al enemigo que estaban equivocados y lograron grandes cambios.
Ellos son heroes a seguir.
Algo que nos deberia de dar verguencia es que como hispanos tenemos al Che y otros que tenia muy buenas ideas de ayudar a los necesitados y lo mas importante unirnos a todos en latinoamerica y hoy en dia los hispanos seguimos separados incluyo todo esos que se ponen la camiseta con su cara (ustedes hacen algo para hecer el sueno del Che de unir a latinoamerica??) Europa esta unidad a pesar que alla hablan diferentes idiomas y no tienen a un revolucionario tan popular como el Che y los latinos que estamos separados a pesar que hablamos el mismo idioma y tenemos a heroes como el Che y otros que luchron por unirnos.
quote: Originally posted by: Chilenita " Hey Chileno! I would love that!! PM me if you can I can even get a courier to pick it up I would LOVE to see it. Glad to see another Chileno in the foro that shares my views I often get bashed for them around here but I don't really care that is what I am and what I stand for so WHATEVER QUESTION: do you participate in any CHilean things in the city...perhaps we know eachother.. X, great post and I am glad you see CHE for what he was a man that wanted to and DID make a difference and he paid with his life...."
quote: Originally posted by: Chilenito " Wena lokita! We share the same views on that matter...I totally forgot about getting u a copy of the movie Machuca. I have a pirata version of the flick that I'll send to you and GOD some how...I'll PM y'all. Speaking about Allende, I have a Dominican friend in a hip-hop group in MTL who's parents named him SALVADOR ALLENDE...no j/k, ain't that cool?"
Hey Chileno!
I would love that!! PM me if you can I can even get a courier to pick it up I would LOVE to see it. Glad to see another Chileno in the foro that shares my views I often get bashed for them around here but I don't really care that is what I am and what I stand for so WHATEVER
QUESTION: do you participate in any CHilean things in the city...perhaps we know eachother..
X, great post and I am glad you see CHE for what he was a man that wanted to and DID make a difference and he paid with his life....
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quote: Originally posted by: Chilenita " When it comes to CHILE I am more of a Manuel Rodrigues fan.....O'Higgins is a contraversial figure... Oh and Allende of course who was elected by the PEOPLE in a DEMOCRATIC vote BUT of course we all know how that turned out........ "
Wena lokita! We share the same views on that matter...I totally forgot about getting u a copy of the movie Machuca. I have a pirata version of the flick that I'll send to you and GOD some how...I'll PM y'all.
Speaking about Allende, I have a Dominican friend in a hip-hop group in MTL who's parents named him SALVADOR ALLENDE...no j/k, ain't that cool?
quote: Originally posted by: Chilenita " When it comes to CHILE I am more of a Manuel Rodrigues fan.....O'Higgins is a contraversial figure... Oh and Allende of course who was elected by the PEOPLE in a DEMOCRATIC vote BUT of course we all know how that turned out........ People admire Che's vision and so that is why he has become a hero. YOU may not like him but there are many people that loved what he stood and fought for.....you are right what happeded in CUBA was a revolution and so people died but I think that there are many people that feel the CAUSE was worth it....it all depends on where you stand politically....to each his own....I do think that whoever wears CHE's shirt is wearing it because they like him not the way he looks as there are MANY MEN that wear it as well.... As far as BUSH goes he NEVER went into IRAQ because of SADAM and WE ALL know that...he has admitted this war is a mistake......He went there to finish off what his DAD started and so that the UNITED STATES could get their hands on the OIL.....BLOOD FOR OIL....that's all and the reason they are having SUCH a hard time in IRAQ is because people want them OUT......"
After reading his story, I find him to be a gr8 man, not becuase of what he did but because of the way he saw something he didn't like and he did everything in his power to change it....is not everyday that some1 leaves all the luxury in the world to follow a dream, even tho u know it might get u kill.
When it comes to CHILE I am more of a Manuel Rodrigues fan.....O'Higgins is a contraversial figure...
Oh and Allende of course who was elected by the PEOPLE in a DEMOCRATIC vote BUT of course we all know how that turned out........
People admire Che's vision and so that is why he has become a hero. YOU may not like him but there are many people that loved what he stood and fought for.....you are right what happeded in CUBA was a revolution and so people died but I think that there are many people that feel the CAUSE was worth it....it all depends on where you stand politically....to each his own....I do think that whoever wears CHE's shirt is wearing it because they like him not the way he looks as there are MANY MEN that wear it as well....
As far as BUSH goes he NEVER went into IRAQ because of SADAM and WE ALL know that...he has admitted this war is a mistake......He went there to finish off what his DAD started and so that the UNITED STATES could get their hands on the OIL.....BLOOD FOR OIL....that's all and the reason they are having SUCH a hard time in IRAQ is because people want them OUT......
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Una pregunta .. las mujeres de este foro apoyarian las ideas del che o el fisico de el? vestirian su cara en su pecho si el fuera feo?
Por otro lado Che, Bush y otros lideres estan y estuvieron metidos en politica y la politica es sucia y vengativa, Bush es un heroe para muchos (americanos y irakis que fueron torturados por Sadam) y porque los defiende del enemigo como ?? matando el enemigo. El che fue y es un lider para muchos porque?? tambien mato al enemigo. los dos utilizaron la violencia por sus ideales.
LAmentablemente muchos lideres latinos fueron grandes asecinos. no olvidemos que el gran heroe de chile el senor O'higgins fue un gran asecino en su tiempo y la lista continua...
La pregunta es los debemos adorar o reconocer o aprender de sus grandes errores??
quote: Originally posted by: Phantasma " He was a great man, but dont forget he did order the execution of hundreds of Batista's people after the takeover... Not saying that he was evil, but he wasnt all good either. On that note, here is a pic I took of the Che Guevara Monument and Museum in Santa Clara, CU. no photos allowed inside the museum (those paranoid Cubans) His remains are also buried there next to some of the troops he commanded in Bolivia where he was killed. -- Edited by Phantasma at 14:19, 2005-04-06"
GREAT PIC!!!!! Paranoid for a reason phantasma.....they have EVERY reason to be paranoid...
Batistas people....hummmm I better not comment......
GREAT PIC
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quote: Originally posted by: Yesi "Who thinks he is EVIL??? Tha is crap he was amazing!!!! yesi"
He was a great man, but dont forget he did order the execution of hundreds of Batista's people after the takeover... Not saying that he was evil, but he wasnt all good either.
On that note, here is a pic I took of the Che Guevara Monument and Museum in Santa Clara, CU. no photos allowed inside the museum (those paranoid Cubans) His remains are also buried there next to some of the troops he commanded in Bolivia where he was killed.
-- Edited by Phantasma at 14:19, 2005-04-06
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what? you found Manuel Noreaga? In the Phillipines? He has a mansion? Ok, we on it, on it, right now!
quote: Originally posted by: Yesi "Who thinks he is EVIL??? Tha is crap he was amazing!!!! yesi"
AMAZING is right Yesi! Actually you were not around for the "next pope thread" you should read it. I quoted CHE and got called a guerillera....lol......I guess it was supposed to be an insult..... Probably the type of people that also like BUSH....
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quote: Originally posted by: MarceloAddax "Una.Foto.Recorre.el.Mundo asi se llama la Movie .... te la recomiendo es un Corto de 12 Minutos echo por el Instituto Cubano del Arte e Industria Cinematografico ahi esplica y muestra el momento Justo del por que la cara del CHE Espectacular Corto. un abrazo Otra Joya recomendada es: Che.Guevara.Donde.Nunca.Jamas.se.lo.Imaginan esa es una Movie de 1 Hs. tambien echa por el Instituto Cubano del Arte e Industria Cinematografico Imprecionante !!!! Hasta la Victoria Siempre "
Great Info Marcello! I went to see his sister speak here in Toronto last year...inspirational!!!!
Can you believe there are people in this FORO that look at him as "evil".........crazy eh???
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quote: Originally posted by: X4v13r " In the original, the eyes are focused on the area in front of Guevara, whilst in the drawing, the eyes are gazing towards the distant horizon. X@vier "
quote: Originally posted by: GENIE "Ok theres a picture that i have from when me and confundida (and can u believe i didnt loose her) went to CUBA and its a statue of him and camillo cienfuegos (if u know cubas history u know who he is) and in that statue he looks hot!!! But also theres one in the same museum and all i can say is WOW!! IF I WOULD HAVE ONLY CROSSED HIS PATH!! I WOULD BEEN UNA GUERILLERA FOR HIM!! LOL"
YOU DIDN'T LOOSE HER???? WOW you are a good friend....lol....that must have been hard....j/k
YEP I have some great pics of his I brought back too. He was a gourges man!
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Ok theres a picture that i have from when me and confundida (and can u believe i didnt loose her) went to CUBA and its a statue of him and camillo cienfuegos (if u know cubas history u know who he is) and in that statue he looks hot!!! But also theres one in the same museum and all i can say is WOW!! IF I WOULD HAVE ONLY CROSSED HIS PATH!! I WOULD BEEN UNA GUERILLERA FOR HIM!! LOL
I found this interesting so i thought I share it with u guys.
The most famous image of Che Guevara is the high contrast bust drawing that is based on the photo. This image was made in several variations: some in red and black, others in black and white, and some in black and white with a red star by Irish artist Jim Fitzpatrick, an artist most known for his depictions of Irish mythology.
It is interesting to note the direction of Che's gaze in the original photograph, as Fitzpatrick's version contains a small but significant modification. In the original, the eyes are focused on the area in front of Guevara, whilst in the drawing, the eyes are gazing towards the distant horizon. There is an epic, heroic significance in Che's pose; in the original image Che appears worried, tense, whilst in the interpretation his face is set in an pose of defiant pride. He appears to be looking towards the future. With this simple alteration the image of Che has come to overshadow the reality, becoming an impression, a mass-produced symbol.
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. Probably the type of people that also like BUSH....
