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There is a documentary named "Che anatomia de un mito" que tiene los testimonios de gente que lo conocio antes de que se uniera a Fidel y los expedicionarios del Granma en Mexico y tambien gente que lucho en la sierra maestra junto a el y contra batista ,comandantes, capitanes, tenientes del Ejercito rebelde, incluso gente que estuvo con el en Bolivia y el Congo.

Aparte de opiniones personales y calificativos de algunos testigos a medida que el documental avanza hay informacion muy interesante.
El que es inteligente y no tiene la mente lavada ni de derecha ni de izquierda puede sacar sus propias conclusiones.
Los testimonios me parecen bien originales y genuinos.

Lo pueden buscar en la internet en las Paginas contactocuba.com y el veraz.com entre otras.


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Chilenita wrote:
Buffy I am sorry but I still cant get over the fact that you read the sunblankstare  Isn't the Sun at like a grade four reading level?  I thought it was only for those who are lonely or want to buy a radioblankstare  Anyway the Star is not really all that liberal either.hmm  The Globe and Mail well don't get me started on the globe and mailfurious 



LOL! Aren't we all at a grade four level? lmao.gif No, the Sun has some excellent, excellent writers. They're just underrated. And they also have idiots like Margolis, but that's a whole different story.



Blah I hate the Sun.  I find it full of stupid advertisements for women and radios.  I can't read right wing papers.  Articles like the one above are beyond stupid to me.furious



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Chilenita wrote:
Buffy I am sorry but I still cant get over the fact that you read the sunblankstare  Isn't the Sun at like a grade four reading level?  I thought it was only for those who are lonely or want to buy a radioblankstare  Anyway the Star is not really all that liberal either.hmm  The Globe and Mail well don't get me started on the globe and mailfurious 



LOL! Aren't we all at a grade four level? lmao.gif No, the Sun has some excellent, excellent writers. They're just underrated. And they also have idiots like Margolis, but that's a whole different story.



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I think it's as stupid as comparing Pinochet and Fidel.

What paper does this idiot write for?



this article appeared in the Toronto Sun



Toronto Sun. What the hell is Buffy doing reading the Toronto Sun?giggle.gif

How can you compare these two people?  You have to be stupid.nod.gif

BIG BAD Osama was trained by the United States to fight Russians in Afganistan...OOOPPPSSSS another little mistake on their part.  This is how they work.  They train them and give them weapons.  Then when they no longer feel like being puppets and the rebel they attempt to hunt them down and kill them.

Let it be known that I am NOT a fan of Osama.  I am in no way defending him.  I just want to point out that "they" helped him be what he is today.  That is a fact.

That reason alone is enough to NOT compare him to CHE.


-- Edited by Chilenita at 10:36, 2007-10-17

True story: I've been getting and reading the Sunday Sun for years and years now, and it was only a few months ago that I figured out it was so ultraconservative and the Star was the liberal. Go figure. I like the Sun, though. The Star is so uncomfortable to read.

Yeah, Margolis is an educated idiot. I do enjoy his writing 'cause I love to read and talk with people who think the total opposite of me... it's just fun... which brings me to...

@Miguel: Yeah, extremism is dangerous, but come on, Che and Osama? Just like Chile said, it's like comparing Fidel and Pinochet... completely different motivations, styles, struggles and outcomes.



Buffy I am sorry but I still cant get over the fact that you read the sunblankstare  Isn't the Sun at like a grade four reading level?  I thought it was only for those who are lonely or want to buy a radioblankstare  Anyway the Star is not really all that liberal either.hmm  The Globe and Mail well don't get me started on the globe and mailfurious 



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Chilenita wrote:

COFFY wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

I think it's as stupid as comparing Pinochet and Fidel.

What paper does this idiot write for?



this article appeared in the Toronto Sun



Toronto Sun. What the hell is Buffy doing reading the Toronto Sun?giggle.gif

How can you compare these two people?  You have to be stupid.nod.gif

BIG BAD Osama was trained by the United States to fight Russians in Afganistan...OOOPPPSSSS another little mistake on their part.  This is how they work.  They train them and give them weapons.  Then when they no longer feel like being puppets and the rebel they attempt to hunt them down and kill them.

Let it be known that I am NOT a fan of Osama.  I am in no way defending him.  I just want to point out that "they" helped him be what he is today.  That is a fact.

That reason alone is enough to NOT compare him to CHE.


-- Edited by Chilenita at 10:36, 2007-10-17

True story: I've been getting and reading the Sunday Sun for years and years now, and it was only a few months ago that I figured out it was so ultraconservative and the Star was the liberal. Go figure. I like the Sun, though. The Star is so uncomfortable to read.

Yeah, Margolis is an educated idiot. I do enjoy his writing 'cause I love to read and talk with people who think the total opposite of me... it's just fun... which brings me to...

@Miguel: Yeah, extremism is dangerous, but come on, Che and Osama? Just like Chile said, it's like comparing Fidel and Pinochet... completely different motivations, styles, struggles and outcomes.



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COFFY wrote:

Chilenita wrote:

I think it's as stupid as comparing Pinochet and Fidel.

What paper does this idiot write for?



this article appeared in the Toronto Sun



Toronto Sun. What the hell is Buffy doing reading the Toronto Sun?giggle.gif

How can you compare these two people?  You have to be stupid.nod.gif

BIG BAD Osama was trained by the United States to fight Russians in Afganistan...OOOPPPSSSS another little mistake on their part.  This is how they work.  They train them and give them weapons.  Then when they no longer feel like being puppets and the rebel they attempt to hunt them down and kill them.

Let it be known that I am NOT a fan of Osama.  I am in no way defending him.  I just want to point out that "they" helped him be what he is today.  That is a fact.

That reason alone is enough to NOT compare him to CHE.


-- Edited by Chilenita at 10:36, 2007-10-17

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Chilenita wrote:

I think it's as stupid as comparing Pinochet and Fidel.

What paper does this idiot write for?



this article appeared in the Toronto Sun



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Ohhhhhhhh the evil communists - LMAO!  FUNNY

I remember when I was little the brainwashing against communists was CRAZY.  It was the HORRIBLE RUSSIANS.  Even f u c k i n g ROCKY fought a Russian for f u c k  sakes.  North American propaganda!!!!!!!bleh

Now it's the evil MUSLIMS - ohhhhhhhhhh look out for the muslims, they are going to kill us all. yawn

GIVE ME A BREAK!  When will people learn to think for themselves?????  WHEN??

The United States was able to destroy Iraq by pumping fear into it's people and the world.

SAD!!!  TRULY SAD!!!

EVeryone is scared of the WRONG people.wink



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I think it's as stupid as comparing Pinochet and Fidel.

What paper does this idiot write for?

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U can't compare the both, they are too different people one fought for the people the other one is a lunatic

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i think that's a bit extreme...

but che did have blood on his hands.. ask the relatives of the people that died (not only dissidents but also sick people and homosexuals) in the prison camps he ran in cuba how they feel about che.. the myth of che doesn't really jive with the reality

extremism on either side, left or right, is dangerous

interesting anecdote - when he died, he was wearing a Rolex watch.
 

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LOL.... This is so stupid... how can someone compare.... this two people...

Che with Osama Bin Laden... NEVER!!!!! furious.gif

I am really busy today but I will asnwer this thread in more detail later tonight.



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I think it's TOO LONG!!!

Summarize, please! giggle.gif



And I also think Chilenita will definately read it and have SOMETHING to say! biggrin.gif

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Careful whom you idolize

Che Guevara, a pop hero 40 years after his death, was the Osama bin Laden of the 1960s

By ERIC MARGOLIS

Back in remote 1963, when I was attending Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service School in Washington, a classmate whose father was Ecuador's ambassador, told me the following incident.

Ecuador's then-president, Carlos Arosemena, showed up drunk at a dinner for American officials and yelled, "why don't all you damned gringos go home and stop exploiting our country!"

An hour later, Ecuador's army chief called the Pentagon and asked permission to overthrow the government. Washington gave the green light, the tanks rolled, and "El Presidente" was bundled off into exile.

Had I been a Latin American student in those distant days, I might well have become a revolutionary.

ANTI-AMERICAN

An Argentine student, Ernesto Guevara, nicknamed "Che," did. He determined to launch a crusade against the American Empire. But the dashing Che, who has become a worldwide icon and cult figure of youthful struggle against injustice, ended up the tool of another empire, and a truly evil one, the Soviet Union.

Che Guevara joined Fidel Castro's revolution against Cuba's U.S.-supported Batista regime. Guevara quickly became Fidel's right-hand man and hero of the revolution. Cuba went from dozy banana republic to Marxist police state.

But Guevara was no desk-bound revolutionary, and Cuba too small for two big egos. Che saw himself as natural leader and apostle of anti-western "liberation struggles" across the Third World. He went off, improbably, to Africa to launch world-wide revolution.

Commemorating the 40th anniversary last week of Che's death, Fidel Castro hailed him as the "messenger of militant internationalism." Old warhorse Castro added, "he still fights with us and for us."

Fidel is right. The image of the sexy, cigar-chomping Che, raffishly bearded, sporting jaunty black beret, is universal. Youngsters born 25 years after Che was killed sport his image on T-shirts and quote his fuzzy revolutionary maxims.

Today, the Third World has another version of militant revolutionary Che. Osama bin Laden. Like Che's vow to "liberate" Latin America, Osama launched a violent, one-man crusade to drive U.S. influence from the Muslim World.

Bin Laden commands the same degree of celebrity in the Muslim World that Che did in '60s Latin America.

But for all his panache and swashbuckling, Che failed miserably as a guerilla leader, first in eastern Congo, then, fatally, in Bolivia.

Che believed Bolivia's dirt poor peasants would revolt against the ruling, U.S.-backed oligarchy.

In reality, they turned their backs on Che and his band of Marxist insurgents.

HUNTED DOWN

Guevara was hunted down by a special U.S. unit, led by legendary, Cuban-born CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez. The wounded Che was captured and executed by Bolivian soldiers on Oct. 9, 1967. Interestingly, in 2005, Rodriguez called for "special action" against a new Marxist menace, Venezuela's anti-American leader, Hugo Chavez.

The glamour cult of the sainted Che has obscured the fact he was an ardent Communist. Revelations from KGB files show that "anti-imperialist" revolutions in Bolivia, Nicaragua and El Salvador, and left wing groups in Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Chile, were secretly funded and armed by the Soviets. Moscow used both Fidel's Cuba and Che to undermine U.S. influence in Latin America.

COMMUNISTS

Guevara and Castro were hardline Communists from day one, not socialist agrarian reformers, as they pretended. Communism, for those too young to remember, was history's most lethal political system that killed nearly 100 million people in the 20th Century, far dwarfing Hitler's crimes.

Che and Fidel had nothing to do with Soviet crimes in Europe, but they supped with the devil in Moscow to advance their cause of anti-Yankee revolution.

Marxist revolution failed. But three decades later, democratic parties of the left have been elected across Latin America, including Bolivia.

Their calls for populist socialism and reduction of America's influence over the region often sound rather like Che and Fidel's fiery orations of yore.

However, this time around, the CIA is busy chasing a new revolutionary menace, this time wearing a white turban instead of black beret, one Osama bin Laden.



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